I asked him about faith and Islam, so I said to him: Differentiate between faith and Islam. He said: And shall I give you the example of it? He said: I said: I would want that. He said: The example of faith from Islam is like the example of the Sacred Kaaba from the Sanctuary; a man may be in the Sanctuary and not be in the Kaaba, and he may not be in the Kaaba until he is in the Sanctuary. Hence, he may be a Muslim and may not be a believer, and he will not be a believer until he is a Muslim. He said: Then I said: Then does anything exclude him from faith? He said: Yes. I said: Then to what thing does it turn himـ? He said: To Islam or disbelief. And he said: If a man is to enter the Kaaba and his urine slips form him, he must be taken out of the Kaaba and must not go out of the Sanctury, and if he is to go out from the Sanctuary, wash his robe and purify himself, he is not prevented from entering the Kaaba. Whereas if a man is to enter the Kaaba and urinates in it intentionally, he must be taken out of the Kaaba and from the Sanctuary, and his neck is to be stricken.